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Digital Supply Chain, Industry 4.0, and the Covid-19 Coronavirus – a chat with Martin Barkman

We are in a very strange times! On this third Digital Supply Chain podcast on the theme of Industry 4.0, I had chat with Martin Barkman. Martin is an SVP and the Global Head of Solution Management for Digital Supply Chain at SAP, so I was keen to have a conversation with him about that, but the conversation went a bit off track!

With all that is going on in the world right now it is difficult to avoid talking about the current Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic which has turned all of our lives upside down. So, despite not intending to, our conversation quickly veered into a discussion of the implications of the coronavirus contagion, and its effects on supply chains, manufacturing, and ourselves.

This is an extremely topical podcast, which ends on a positive note. I hope you find it useful.

Listen to the podcast using the player above, and/or see the full transcript below:

Martin Barkman [00:00:00]   The first thing that I think in in times like this organizations have to understand this is what is my what is my supply? Where do I have products? Can I get the product? Am I relying upon regions that are even more hard hit by the particular crisis and whether it’s this viral situation or just in general I think companies are rethinking making sure that they have alternative sources.
Tom Raftery [00:00:29] Good morning. Good afternoon or good evening. Wherever you are in the world, this is the Digital Supply Chain podcast and I am your host Tom Raftery.

 

Tom Raftery [00:00:39] Welcome to the Digital Supply Chain podcast. We are in the series themed around Industry 4.0 and my special guest on the show today is Martin. Martin, would you like to introduce yourself?

 

Martin Barkman [00:00:52] Absolutely, Tom. And thank you for having me. I am Martin Barkman and I head up solution management for SAPs digital supply chain area based in the United States and super excited to be here talking to you today.

 

Tom Raftery [00:01:08] Thank you. Thank you, Martin. so, digital supply chain and industry 4.0. How are they connected?

 

Martin Barkman [00:01:16] It’s a great it’s a great question. I mean, there’s a lot going on with supply chain today. Obviously, the topic at the moment is everything the world is doing to mitigate the effect of this virus. But even before the virus, supply chains were becoming more prominent and more central to the conversations in company boardrooms and frankly, even amongst consumers. Geopolitically, we saw things like trade tariffs, and regulations coupled with uncertainties around the exit of Britain from the United, from the European zone. All of these put pressure on companies supply chains. And then at the same time, you also have consumers that are pickier and have more desires than ever before.

 

Martin Barkman [00:02:15] Whether it’s the personalization of products or even the speed…

 

Tom Raftery [00:02:21] They’ve been spoiled, consumers have been spoiled by the likes of Amazon who are now giving them deliveries same day and even, you know, sub-hour times and things like that. so, that’s gotta put huge pressure on supply chains as well.

 

Martin Barkman [00:02:32] Yeah, it’s interesting. So, you have governments, you have individual consumer. And then there’s this underlying thread around topics of sustainability. You know, consumers are starting to figure out that having the delivery truck come to their house many, many times every day maybe isn’t the most sustainable option. So, we’re seeing a convergence of a lot of these global trends, consumer trends, and it’s converging around the supply chain. And so, how do you set up a supply chain that can really accomplish all of this in a fundamentally different way? You asked about Industry 4.0, and it’s an interesting term. It actually originated in in Europe many, many years ago. And it was primarily focused around the automation of the factory or the plants. Now we’re seeing the concepts actually extend to the entire supply chain, to the assets that are deployed throughout the supply chain, all the way to the way distribution and logistics is handled. And it’s all about using technology and data to fundamentally change and take a step change in productivity. Other times it’s called industrial Internet of Things, so, I just wanted to throw that out there, that that’s also a term that’s often used.

 

Tom Raftery [00:03:52] Sure, sure. And I mean, we’re not going to harp on the whole Coronavirus thing because, you know, there’s lots of other people talking about that. And, you know, people better, better informed than us. But things like that are going to be putting huge pressure now, you gonna think on supply chains. I mean, particularly there’s going to be a huge increase in the requirement for logistics as more people, you know, stay at home and have a requirement to have things delivered to their home. so, that that’s going to that’s going to change the logistics industry. It’s going to grow the logistics industry, and it’s going to completely you got to think change how a lot of supply chains are organised.

 

Martin Barkman [00:04:31] Yeah. No, no, no doubt. And it is it is absolutely the topic of the day and what companies are focusing on. I mean, you know, the first thing that I think in in times like this organizations have to understand is what is my what is my supply? Where do I have product? Can I get the product? Am I relying upon regions that are even more hard hit by the particular crisis and whether it’s this virus situation or just in general, I think companies are rethinking, making sure that they have alternative sources identified. They understand the implications of those sources.  They have the ability to switch and shift order volumes from one, one to the other. You know, so. That that I think is kind of step one in a time like this, of course, with that comes also an understanding of where you have inventory in the supply chain and how can you use that inventory to ultimately create new finished goods and move those finished goods to the point where they are most, most desperately needed. I think at the same time, demand is is really, really changing. We’re seeing spikes in demand for products that are absolute critical.

 

Tom Raftery [00:06:01] Toilet Rolls?

 

Martin Barkman [00:06:01] Whether it’s. But it’s not just I mean, it’s paper products in general. Right. Diapers and such. Certainly, in personal hygiene products. I mean, right now, Amazon is prioritising the delivery of those to consumers at the expense of maybe some products that are not deemed to be quite as urgent. I think for companies, what’s critical is understanding, you know, just by how much and where and to what degree demand has changed, because ultimately that picture has to be you have to form the unified picture of demand and supply and ultimately how you how you solve for that. so, you want to get your arms around. So, I yeah. This is a you get your arms around that. That demand certainly part of the supply picture is also the capacity. And you mentioned people are now working from home, certainly in some professions that’s a possibility. In professions like running a manufacturing operation, that’s not always the case. The customers we have that I’ve talked to are trying to keep these critical plants up and running plants that are involved in producing products that are more needed now than ever before. But the method in which you do that right, the way you run your shifts, the way you inform and encourage people to work when they are on the shop floor is different. Right. We can’t stand shoulder to shoulder anymore. We have to maintain the social distancing even in the workplace. so, I think its capacity, its inventory, its supplier and supply and its demand and forming that picture and understanding also what is it saying I need to do today? But what are the what ifs and the scenarios? We live in an extremely dynamic environment. so, this week is fundamentally different than last week. so, whatever I thought was my plan last week, it’s very likely that that plan now needs to change. so, I need an environment and an ability to rerun those scenarios very, very effectively. Once I choose a scenario and I say, OK, this is the one I’m going to operate, that, how do I put it into action all the way down to planning the transportation and understanding how to get it ultimately to the end consumer?

 

Tom Raftery [00:08:29] And demands have got to be swinging wildly as well at the moment. I mean, we talk about people working from home. That’s going to mean a huge drop in demand for, you know, petrol, diesel those kinds of fuels to get people to and from work. And on the other hand, there’s going to be a huge uptick you got to think and demand for things like webcams so, people can more effectively work from home.

 

Martin Barkman [00:09:00] Yeah. so, it’s interesting right now, I think we’re all trying to come to grips with what is the the new…the drop in, you know, what is the the drastic change in demand, and as I mentioned earlier, how do companies get their arms around that? But soon we will have to start to plan for the recovery. Is the recovery going to be like the letter V, where it’s a sharp drop and then a sharp rise, is it going to be like the letter U where it’s a drop and then it’s a period of really, really low band in general, but then an uptick. Or frankly, it’s almost gonna be like the letter L you know, the classic where we’re gonna be at a low point of demand for quite some time and then maybe we see a gradual, slow recovery. And the answer is, of course, we don’t know, and it may actually differ for different products. I also think we have to think about the possibility that when we emerge from this, yes, things will be fine, but they will be different. Right. so, if you think back to the 9/11 crisis, we started to fly again, but airport security was fundamentally changed. Will our way of working be fundamentally different when we emerge from this crisis? so, we have to understand how we will emerge and what the scenarios are so, that we can plan accordingly. But then let’s not assume that everything returns to the way it was. It may not be for certain parts of the economy or for certain industries or for certain types of products.

 

Tom Raftery [00:10:57] And how do companies plan for that?

 

Martin Barkman [00:11:02] Yeah, I think…

 

Tom Raftery [00:11:07] The 64-million-dollar question?

 

Martin Barkman [00:11:08] Yeah, look, I mean, you hear it said every day. Right. These are unprecedented times. Companies that have a good handling of their data, of their information and they’re able to bring it into one environment where they can run these scenarios. Not to pretending that they know exactly what’s going to happen, but they can say, you know what, if this happens, what if we have a quick recovery? What if we have a prolonged recovery? What if they make some more of our products coming out of the recovery maybe is a little bit different? What if a part of the world relapses later this year and the epidemic comes back in a limited form? so, I think companies that have that kind of digital environment are going to be able to plan these different scenarios. They may not know, but they can certainly weigh the different options. But I also think it’s interesting. Right? so, Industry 4.0 if we over time, are able to automate and run more critical parts of the supply chain in an autonomous or perhaps in a remotely controlled way. And this is already happening. I mean, I’ve been to see many production operations. You know, the people there are operating them behind a glass wall or in the case of milling and mining, significant parts of the operation might be controlled in a control centre that’s located hundreds of miles away and then using cameras and digital infrastructure they’re able to control the equipment. The interesting thing about that is when the next pandemic, and I hate to even say it comes, supply chains might be able to operate more autonomously, because people are not necessarily working and standing right next to each other. It’s not that we have eliminated the need for people completely, but we’ve eliminated the need for people to stand closely together performing the tasks and potentially risking their safety as a result.

 

Tom Raftery [00:13:38] so, Martin, I think one of the most important things at this kind of time is transparency in supply chains. Can you talk a little bit about that for us?

 

Martin Barkman [00:13:48] Absolutely. And it’s really interesting because supply chains almost by nature, right? You think everything happens in sequence from one step to the other it’s very linear oriented, and in many cases, it is, right? You start with a but raw material and you convert it into something that you ultimately distribute and sell. However, that’s a very simplified view. And what has been happening already is supply chains are becoming more networks. Right? so, you source raw materials more through a network, in many cases. Your manufacturing setup is a network. You have your own manufacturing sites and you have the ability to go out and work with contractors in a network type of capacity. Transportation. Same thing. You source transportation through a network and you work with a network of providers. And as a result, the supply chains are actually becoming less linear and sequential and more networked. Now, more than ever, visibility of what’s happening in your supply chain is very important. And because it’s more networked, you need the visibility through your network. so, you need to understand. Not just what’s happening within the four walls of your supply chain, but within your supply chain network. so, this is a topic that was already becoming important. I think now more than ever, it’s of upmost importance. Companies are setting up, you know, war rooms and crisis management centres to understand how to maximize their ability to serve their customers. And of course, information and visibility are very, very key to that. Now, beyond this pandemic, there are other cases where having visibility is very important. What if there’s a product recall? How do I ensure that I can trace the source of the recall or the cause of the recall through my supply chain and remove the product that is subject to the recall without overdoing it, without removing a product that does not have to be subject to the recall. so, there there’s just a lot of ways in which this connecting everything and then having that be rendered simultaneously more closer, if not real time. It’s becoming very, very important.

 

Tom Raftery [00:16:23] And for organizations who are in the throes of this right now, I mean, what would you advise them to do if they haven’t got the kind of transparency that they need or if they are starting on that project or if they’re even if they’re in that in that project and they’re looking to increase their  visibility into their supply chain where we’re should. What should they do? What kind of steps should they take?

 

Martin Barkman [00:16:51] Yeah, it’s hard to think of a one size fits all, but. There’s a good chance that there are some pockets of places in their supply chain where the information resides digitally. Sometimes that could be very large pockets, large repositories. I would say an initial key step is assess what is the digital environment you have? What are the existing tools you have in place and look for ways to activate elements of those tools that maybe you haven’t otherwise activated. So, for example, we have customers that are running the SAP integrated business planning application to do the scenario analysis that I talked about earlier. It has inherent capabilities for things like visibility. We call it the control tower. Ensure that you’re leveraging those capabilities to the fullest, which in some cases, if you aren’t, isn’t a big undertaking to go do.

 

Tom Raftery [00:17:53] Okay.

 

Martin Barkman [00:17:55] And certainly that’s something that that companies can consider.

 

Tom Raftery [00:18:00] All these things are kind of on a curve so, they can move kind of further to the right on the curve to increase their visibility, you’re saying?

 

Martin Barkman [00:18:07] Yeah. I mean, it’s a matter of time too, right? And, you know, are there quick wins that can be attained right now? At some point, companies may look to say, you know, how do we how do we take a step change in our in our digital environment, in our infrastructure, so, that we can do this on an ongoing basis, not just when a pandemic comes across, but frankly, sometimes you see a spike in demand that you hadn’t forecasted. You would like nothing more than to meet that demand. But you don’t know if you can or what it would take to meet that demand. so, you need to be able to run these plans and rerun the plans more often. You know, that’s the kind of capability that I think companies at some point are going to start to say, you know what, it makes sense to pursue that.

 

Tom Raftery [00:18:53] Excellent. Martin, we’re coming towards the end of the podcast now. We’re at about 18 minutes, 19 minutes into the into the podcast. Before we end up before we finish up, is there is there any question that I have not asked you that you think I should have?

 

Martin Barkman [00:19:14] I perhaps one thing we should conclude with is, you know what what is, pandemics aside, if we allow ourselves the luxury and the pleasure of removing that that new lens just for a second, maybe what is on the other side? And what do we think is is of utmost importance to companies? And I’d just like to talk about that, because I think we have to allow ourselves the ability to think in those terms, right? For the future and to us and what we see from our customers is supply chain is moving increasingly, from a pure back office function to something that’s at the at the boardroom level, very much part of the discussion. And the reason is we are moving into an era where it’s all about the experience economy, meaning what is it that customers want to experience when they do business with you? What is it that your employees want to experience when they go to work? What is it that your shareholders are looking for you to accomplish right in your community? Same thing with the environment. And we think that’s very exciting for those of us that are passionate about supply chain, because how can you accomplish something on all those axes and on all those vectors without a really, really comprehensive approach to supply chain management, right? What is the point of selling a product that’s marketed well, if in the end the product doesn’t meet customer needs from a quality and functionality standpoint? What is the point of having the most perfectly manufactured product with all the bells and whistles if in the end it’s delivered late to customers? so, the supply chain is what brings that ultimate experience very much together. And we see companies making investments in supply chains in ways that traditionally wouldn’t have been wouldn’t have been thought of. And it’s so, that the supply chain can help the company be successful in the experience economy. And we think that’s exciting and we think that’s very much on top of minds of companies right now, maybe a little bit further back of their mind, given the urgency, but nevertheless, something that absolutely has to be continued to be addressed.

 

Tom Raftery [00:21:57] Excellent, excellent, excellent. Martin, if people want to know more about Martin or about supply chains or about business planning or any of the above, where would you have me direct them? I’ll put some links in the show, notes in the description, this podcast so, you just tell me what to put in there.

 

Martin Barkman [00:22:17] Sure. Let’s assume they want to know about supply chain more so, than they know about me. Certainly, I’m on LinkedIn. But for for supply chain and what we’re doing at SAP, I would invite everyone actually to go to SAP.com, and in there we have sections for supply chain management. We have a lot of interesting content of what we’re seeing are the big trends and what companies are doing. And we have a lot of testimonials from companies with whom we work. And I think that’s an exciting place for people to start to learn more.

 

Tom Raftery [00:22:55] Super, super. Martin, thanks again for joining us on the show today.

Martin Barkman [00:23:01] Thank you so, much. It’s a pleasure.

 

Tom Raftery [00:23:04] OK. We’ve come to the end of the show. Thanks, everyone, for listening. If you’d like to know more about digital supply chains, head on over to SAP.com/digitalsupplychain or simply drop me an email to Tom.Raftery at sap.com. If you like to show, please don’t forget to subscribe to it in your podcast application to get new episodes right away as soon as they’re published. And also, please don’t forget to rate and review the podcast. It really does help new people to find the show. Thanks. Catch you all next time.

Digital Supply Chain and Digital Logistics – a chat with Till Dengel

The logistics aspect of supply chains is increasingly being digitised, and is now often referred to as Digital Logistics.

To find out more about this I invited Till Dengel to come on the show. Till is the Global Head of Digital Logistics Solution Management at SAP, so if anyone could fill me in on Digital Logistics, what it is, and where it is going it would be Till.

We had a great discussion and right at the end Till mentioned that his team had created a digital logistics compendium. This is a very comprehensive ebook with a lot of videos and interactive material for anyone interested in trends and customer stories in this field.

Below is a full transcript of our conversation:

TR: Hi everyone. Welcome to the digital supply chain podcast. My name is Tom Raftery and with me on the show today, I have our special guest Till. Till, would you like to introduce yourself?

TD: Yes. Good morning Tom. I’m very happy to be here. So Till Dengel is my name I globally cover our solution management for digital logistics, which includes our solutions for fulfillment, for warehousemanagement, for transportation, and the Logistics, Business Network.

TR: Okay, cool. Interesting. Just for anyone who isn’t completely aware with logistics, can you give us kind of a logistics 101. What, what is logistics? What does it do?

TD: Well, the logistics I think per definition is the know how goods move through a system and managing that system as goods flows through a supply chain and through different processes in a supply chain. And as we talk about the digitization of logistics processing, it’s basically how to automate and how to process things through warehousing, through a transportation, like scheduling, routing of logistics, or move in a supply chain and then eventually tracking those moves, with solutions for track and trace. But also with visibility tools to provide transparency as the goods move through the supply chain. So it’s really that end to end management and transparency that you’re trying to gain by using technology, as goods flow through a supply chain, or anetwork.

TR: Okay. And obviously the digitization of logistics has given huge advantages and is disrupting the markets;I imagine significantly for our customers. Can you give me some examples of the kinds of things that arechanging, and ways in which our customers are benefiting?

TD: Yeah, so for absolutely, I mean on one thing, technology has changed the game, but on the other side also the way we perceive logistics in our private life. And I think that has a very big impact also on the, on how companies deal with each other. I mean by now we are used to when we order something online that had arrives next day or sometime even same day, and there isn’t, are the same expectation of course, in a business to business environment. And in order to achieve that, you can only do this if you can automate your business processes to a very large extent. And these are the business processes that you have in the warehouse for picking, packing and shipping, but also the business processes around scheduling and routing a truck. So there has to be a lot of automation and that’s obviously, you know, what SAP, where we, where we come from of driving those business processes and trends.

But then there’s of course other technologies which are really changing the playing field in logistics. So one I think is very significant is around internet of things and sensor technology. Um, you can stick a sensor on almost anything today because the sensor technology is so cheap, um, that that you can just put it on some thing and you can track that item as it moves throughout the supply chain. Um, so that’s one big trend that’s changing the game here. Um, the other big one is the blockchain trend of course. It’s still a trend that I would say is I’m moving from its infancy, getting more and more mature. Almost every customer I talked to has at least a proof of concept in the blockchain environment. But that obviously speaks to the supply chain integrity and how goods move through supply chain, tracking on who touched the goods, where did they originate from and and what happens to the goods as they move throughout the supply chain. So that’s another technology that’s very big.

And then the last one I want to mention or the second to last is machine learning and data science. And obviously data science is not new to solutions like, transportation management with automated routing and scheduling. But with machine learning and the advent of machine learning and so many universities, working in this field, there’s just a lot more skills and a lot more knowledge around the topic and the market, which is really useful for the logistics industry, which has a lot of data from all these movements and can make use of that.

And then the last one I would like to mention is the cloud. And why is the cloud important? Well, because you have, different deployment models and you can much more quickly spin up and spin down for example, awarehouse. And we see those quite often with our customers. They are for example looking for that they run a campaign and they’re looking for a, they need a warehouse for six weeks, eight weeks as they ran a campaign in a city. So with the cloud you can spin up warehouse really quickly, run your warehouse processes to your pick pack ship and then spin it down again. So this was not possible many years ago and that’s, I think the big trends that are driving on the logistics industry.

TR: Okay. That’s interesting. That’s four huge trends that are happening and they’re obviously happening at kind of different paces as well. I mean you mentioned that uh, blockchain is very much in its infancy, whereas I imagine cloud is probably further along the line and machine learning is probably somewhere in the middle. How are we doing with, you know, the likes of a customer adoption? You mentioned some and blockchain are doing proofs of concepts, where are we with adoption rates in some of these technologies?

TD: Yeah, I would say the sense that technology and the IOT is probably most adopted just because there has been a lot of investment in those areas in the past few years. And it’s, I mean, building out interfaces and integrating these sensor technologies. Um, blockchain I mentioned, I think it’s, um, there are first few really good use cases. Um, customers are making the business case to invest broader and they are experimentingwith it, which I think is a really good sign that something is moving here. And obviously in blockchain what’s also interesting, it started with a few industries like for example, pharma, which obviously has that need for end to end visibility and enter and tracking of products and batches and everything. But it now moves across into other industries that is also a good sign. So, for example, we’ve talked to a lot of customers from the luxury goods industry, which of course also wants to know the whereabouts of these high value items as they move them through the supply chain and they want to know who touches with them. So thatsthe blockchain in terms of maturity.

Data science I think is a very mature in this industry. Like I said, machine learning is now coming to it, but working with algorithms and more sophisticated methods to determine scheduling  and routing and things like that, that’s been around for 10 years, maybe even more. So I think that’s probably the most mature I would say.

TR: Okay. And then, the adoption of these things depends on many factors. I mean, part of it is skilled resources availability, but part of it as well is potential for outcomes. If something is only going to give me a 1% increase or a 10% increase, does this big difference between the two. In in terms of outcomes, where do you see the the best potential for people with digital logistics?

TD: It’s an interesting point. You mentioned as obviously outcomes is always the end of every business case that, that our customers are driving when adopting those technologies. So when we talk about this data science part and a machine learning part, the outcome of that of course is increased efficiency and increased automation. And if you look at logistics, I mean logistics is reoccurring patterns. There’s only, you know, a certain amount of possibilities and variations that you can move a container through a network, let’s say from Asia to Rotterdam, for example, there’s only a certain amount of vessels, only a certain amount of routes you can take, and a main leg and, and some sequence they can pre leg and things like that. So there’s only a certain amount of variation. So why shouldn’t a system  automatically plan this and support the dispatcher sothe dispatcher doesn’t have to do this manually. So it’s clearly the outcome here is using these technologies like the data science part of it to automatically drive this and by that increase efficiency.

The other outcome of course in the same area is in the warehouse management space. I mean many warehouses these days run completely in the dark. Nobody, humans only touch in a very few touch points the product, but there’s a lot of automation already in the warehouse since many, many years. I mean, that of course speaks very much to the outcome and efficiencies and that’s where our customers make the case that they say, I want to come from a manual warehouse into more of an automated warehouse using software and using for example, packaging algorithms and algorithms that run, pick wave and things like that and thereby increase efficiency on automation. So that’s the efficiency side of the outcome.

What’s also very interesting and that’s a change that you’ve seen lately, is that if you look at more of the top line and the revenue portion of it and the customer centricity part of it, many customers we talk to these days look at logistics as a differentiator. In the past that was looked a lot like it’s a cost driver and we need to, you know, drive cost out of the system. Now it’s looked at more and more like if my logistics experience or if my delivery experience is not good, if my parts, my container arrived late, the experience reflects on the product. So the more I invest in product experience, customers tend to also invest in that delivery experience part of it, which is another outcome, but which is obviously not on the cost side and the bottom line, but rather more on the top line.

TR: All right. Very good. Very good. So lots to think on there. Where, where is all this going? You know, we’re seeing trends towards digitization, but you know, where is all this going to go in the next five to 10 years do you think?

TD: Well, there’s obviously a lot of movement in automation in terms of drone technology and self driving vehicles and things like that. I mean, all of that is obviously in the beginning, but I think in the next few years we see a lot of that becoming more and more mainstream. Obviously not everywhere in the world but incertain parts for example. We get already today, um, we connect to, for example robots and, and different parts in the warehouse so robotic technology in the warehouse is becoming mainstream as we speak. And I think this will expand into the yards and it’s been expand more and more onto the roads or maybe on, you know, some closed roads or from specific lanes where you see automatic driving and, and things like that. So, I think that’s one big trend that’s happening.

And then the other big thing is the rise of the networks, which we haven’t talked much about. So logisticsnetworks basically, meaning that you can manage a business process with your stakeholders, with your partners, or a shipper can manage that with the 3PLs and the carriers. They can all get together online in one single system in the cloud and manage a business process end to end. So that obviously contributes a lot to the business process execution capabilities and the efficiencies of that end to end processing, but also to the transparency that you can provide as if everybody that participates in that supply chain is on one single system. So I think here we will see a lot of that.

And if you look into where investment money is going these days on VC capital is going is exactly in that area of business networks across the different modes and across the different regions of the world.

TR: Interesting. Great. One final question Till. This is a question I often ask people at the end of the show, just in case I’ve missed something. Is there any question that I haven’t asked that you think I should have?

TD: Usually that is the question is, you know, around we talked a lot about automation and efficiency and those things. So usually there is always the question of what does that mean in terms of will there people be in the, I mean the logistics is a huge industry. Will the people be put out of jobs and things like that. And I think the interesting part around that is, I think, you know, the manual labor parts in the warehouse and transportation and things like that and I think they will definitely be challenged in my perspective because there is a robot, there’s more and more automation coming in, similar to what we’ve been seeing in the manufacturing industry a few years back. But on the other side there is a lot of skills and a lot of new employment opportunities around the topic of data science, machine learning, and digitizing these end to end supply chains,which is obviously a different kind of job. But here we definitely, and that’s what we hear from our industry councils and from customers we speak. There’s still a huge skill gap. And for example here in central Europe, it was identified that skilled people, in the logistics industry that know the process, that knowthe industry and that know technology, a huge gap and actually imposing a risk on the digitization of global supply chains.

TR: Interesting. Right, so if people want to know more Till, about Till or about digital logistics, our supply chains or any of the topics we’ve discussed today, where would you have them go? What, what kind of links would you like me to put in the show notes?

TD: So you’ll find myself on LinkedIn. I’d be very happy. There’s a lively community going on. Very happy to connect to anyone that wants to be connected and talk more about the logistics industry, which I’m very passionate about. That’s LinkedIn. Otherwise, sap.com of course there is a, a very large area around logistics and supply chain. And the last topic Tom I’ll provides you with a link to what we have created which is ourdigital logistics compendium, which is a very comprehensive ebook with a lot of videos and interactive material for anyone that’s interested in what’s going on in terms of trends and what are customers doing, obviously using our software in this field.

TR: Oh very good superb. That’ll be very useful, I’m sure for lots of people. I’ll definitely put a link to that in the show notes. Thanks a million for that.

Till that’s been great. That’s been really interesting. I’ve learned a lot. I hope all our listeners have as well. Thanks a million for coming on the show today.

TD: Thank you so much.

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